Re: WK-5 Example 4

[mikemeister_admin]

Greg,

i can't get the 2 animal right.
that is to say, i start with bumping up the colors in lab mode to maximum.
But also at maximum, i don't get the same yellownes picture as Mike.
Mine are more blue.
also the colors of the eyes of the front cat looks very normal.
so what to do ?
Frits

[ggroess]

Fritz,
I split this off from the previous topic so I can keep them straight...

It looks like so far you have taken the saturation too far.  but try this....

Add a neutral near an area that looks like it should be grey in the fur... I chose the shaded area near the eye for mine.  it seemed to make the most sense at the time for the choice..

Greg

[mikemeister_admin]

Greg,
thanks , this helped!

i did not know we must do also others things like neutral etc.
I thaught only saturation!

frits
p.s. so i can go on.

[ggroess]

well you could stay where you were ...but in the interest of getting good results you should always check the shadow, highlight and neutral....

Greg

[mikemeister_admin]

I have read the message from Mike, that we cna ask something we like to discuss.
i am thinking about it.

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I have now the right lemurs in full Color, not in Cinerama projecttion.
But w when reading the instruction and seeing the masks i had never choosen the right mask by myself.
it is mike's suggestion.
How we can see and learn that ?
Now i have the mask of the full color Lemurs and it is much diifferent that of Mike's.
Why ?

Frits

[mikemeister_admin]

well you could stay where you were ...but in the interest of getting good results you should always check the shadow, highlight and neutral....

Greg

Greg ,

i  always do, but i was disappointed in some solutions of Mike. They where very good, but he did not the usual sequences and i thaught i did to much so this time i did only the saturation.
frits

[mikemeister_admin]

Greg something i do not understand!
Mike writes on the second picuture of the lemur:

Here is the lemur image after selecting the b channel as the mask.
A little better, but the eyes could do with a less color, and the fur is losing the good color we just added.

how is that possible?
The color changed ONLY by selecting the mask ?
This is confusing!

frits

[mikemeister_admin]

This is my Lemur mask and not nearly equal to the lesson!
frits

[ggroess]

It can be done with saturation and a correctly placed bump in the A curve...

The idea here was to give you more experience with Masks and in this particular case to teach you about inverting the mask.

None of the mask channels is perfect for this.  The thought process for me goes something like this....

What is my goal?
in this case did the eyes of the Lemuur stand out anywhere?
Is there a mask or inverted mask that has most of what I want?
Again in this case...the B channel inverted.
Can I get most of what I need without having to paint on the mask too much?
For this mask it is ok to leave it as is.

Remember Fritz,  you really have to strech out your thoughts about colors and ortho-chromatic masks.  When you are looking at the image you almost have to "see" the desired mask...then work with the channels you have to bring the mask to life.  

This image is a good example of that...looking at the channels nothing really stands out...but if you think about the goal of stopping the red eyes from becoming over saturated It starts to limit the choices...I would look at B from Lab and K from CMYK.  The eyes are most pronounced in those channels.  Even if they are the wrong side of the mask..i.e. the eyes are white and I need black....I can always invert the mask....

After that it gets easier to choose.

Try this....

Take an image you want to "adjust"  post it to the class with your choice of mask....we can take it apart from there.  i think you will be suprised...

Greg

[ggroess]

This is my Lemur mask and not nearly equal to the lesson!
frits

You need to invert the mask Fritz..the eyes need to be black to be protected from the saturation boost...

Greg